the responsibility of congress is to appropriate, to tax and spend that money. that's become -- to say the job of congress is to tax as soon as i put it in that language, it's an id logical statement rather than a descriptive statement of the job of congress. >> we are seeing the same thing. the question becomes, i disagree with you a little bit. we are at 8.9% unemployment rate. i don't know if it's the job of the government to create jobs, i believe it's the job of the government to create an environment to create jobs. what does that mean? if we don't have our fiscal house in order, how is the government, excuse me, the private sector going to look at us from a responsibility? >> everyone saying stimulate now, cut back later. we did one stimulus bill, it wasn't large enough and we didn't follow it up. >> whose fault was that? >> we need to stimulate now. we are not doing any stimulus and talking about cutting back. it's what they say not to do. >> bobby jindal, who we give a hard time to on this show regularly, he said something similar to this on the rnc mee